Thursday, July 25, 2024

Nate Silver and Stuart Stevens from 2023

[Gelman addresses some similar points here.]

I've been meaning to talk about this exchange since it happened, but it's just as well that I waited. Difficult to beat the timing on this one.


 

Gene Maddaus writing for the LA Weekly, November 24, 2010 [Emphasis added.]

Whatever the outcome of the attorney general's race, it's clear that Steve Cooley led most of the way and then blew it in the final days.

That's because Cooley ran a tentative and complacent campaign. If he loses, and trends suggest he will, it will be thanks to several tactical mistakes, an indifference to stumping for votes, and a gaffe on pensions.

Cooley can also blame Meg Whitman, whose 12-point loss probably sealed his defeat. But the fact remains that he could have won with a more aggressive campaign. Herewith, a post-mortem analysis.

Kamala Harris declared her intention to run for attorney general in the afterglow of the 2008 presidential race. She was a rising star, a member in good standing of Generation Obama. Like the president, she was a biracial candidate who had proven she could attract white votes.

But the glow wore off as Obama's approval ratings dipped, and by the time Steve Cooley entered the race early this year, Harris was all but written off.

She was a San Franisco liberal. She opposed the death penalty. In an anti-Obama year, she was an Obama clone.

Polls consistently showed her trailing Cooley by about five points, though a large chunk of the electorate remained undecided. Conventional wisdom held that he would do well in L.A. County, his home turf, because he was seen as a competent prosecutor, not a partisan Republican.

 

 

The tweet is yet another reminder of how lazy Nate Silver has gotten. He ignores two of the three races cited by Stevens, runs one metric, doesn't bother to look at other equally relevant numbers such as initial position in the polls, completely leaves out important context like campaign spending, the endorsement of the LA Times and the fact that Cooley went into the race as the popular district attorney of LA representing about one in four Californians, as compared with less than one tenth of that represented by Harris as the district attorney of San Francisco. Silver then goes on to draw a sweeping conclusion and adds an LOL just to push the dickishness level over the top.

There is a bit of an analogy here with Harvard's Avi Loeb. Both he and Silver are experts in their fields. Silver knows a great deal about certain aspects of political science while Loeb has done seminal work in astrophysics, but those are both big subjects and it is possible to be highly knowledgeable in parts of those disciplines and completely ignorant of others. Both men have been opining outside of their areas of expertise, and they have been doing so with an entirely inappropriate level of confidence.

This is also a prime example of one of the driving narratives of recent political coverage, hapless Kamala. Along with Trump's followers will abandon him after he loses an election, DeSantis has a lock on the nomination, and Dobbs won't matter, this is one of the stories that has guided journalists over the last four years. By now, two of these have been completely discredited and the other two are looking highly questionable. If you are new to this game, you probably think that being proven this wrong this often would humble Silver and Barro and all the other pundits and big-name reporters who have staked so much of their reputations on these claims, but what we've seen instead is defensiveness, denial, and evermore tortured logic trying to prop up failed arguments.

4 comments:

  1. Mark:

    You're kind of hard on Nate here. I see where you're coming from--Nate can do great work, so when he shoots out a quick tweet without doing even the most basic googling of research, it's a disappointment--so, sure. But give Nate credit that when the topic came up recently he gave a much more reasonable take. On the subject of understanding what might happen with Harris running, he wrote: "The rule of thumb is that it's a huge mess. Yes, we'll turn the model back on before then, but I think people should be reasonably cautious about the polling until early August once things (maybe?) settle down a bit." He didn't directly address the lack of useful information in Harris's past electoral outings, but at least he didn't bring it up. Acknowledging and correcting an error is the best, but bypassing the error and moving on is at least better than not letting go of it.

    - Andrew

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    1. Andrew,

      The very fact that Silver can do great work and, as proven by 2015, can learn from his mistakes (unlike Nates who shall remain nameless) means that we shouldn't go easy on him.

      As for not letting go, ignoring primary voters and dumping BOTH names on the ticket is a hobbyhorse Silver has been riding for months, often arguing from authority and rudely dismissing anyone who disagreed.

      In this tweet, Silver was not just making a bad argument; he was shoring up a standard narrative of the establishment press, one that has aged horribly. No one knows how this election will play out (we've had two to four black swans already), but I think we can call the "Harris can't unite the party" claims effectively debunked.

      Mark

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    2. Mark:

      Yeah, I think this is a good reminder to all of us that we should check our facts before spouting off, especially when leaning on one's authority.

      As we've discussed before, reputational inference goes both ways. Given Nate's well-earned reputation for careful analysis, it makes sense that people will take even his offhand remarks seriously. The flip side of this is that when Nate says something sloppy, even if just in an informal tweet, this degrades his larger reputation. I continue to think of Nate as someone who is well grounded and who has the ability to do careful analysis, but I'm no longer confident that he will choose to exercise this level of care every time he writes. And I continue to be disappointed in his seeming lack of interest in engaging with his mistakes.

      Andrew

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    3. Silver was one of the very few forecasters who manned up after the 2015 debacle. He's capable of learning from his mistakes and doing serious work. Recently though he seems to have lost his taste for it.

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